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Dec 05 2009

Possible turning points to non-religious stance

I think that you don’t have to consider “factors leading to non-religious stance”. Rather the opposite; Just consider the mere decline in opportunity to indoctrinate. If you grow up to about the age of ten without some influential significant adult having messed you up, then I think the window of opportunity is lost.

You need to get to the child before it develops critical faculties. I think that you also need to get to the child before it develops the concept of “fairy tales”. If the child is somewhat familiar with the genre, I think it takes many times times the effort to convince the child that, for no reason, this one particular story (which in shape and form is basically the same as all other stories) is supposed to be treated differently.

It is no accident that they lobby heavily to get access to the younger classes in school. Even though basic philosophy is only taught at university level, they want to start in first grade to

I visit local schools on behalf of Norwegian Humanist Association, and I don’t want younger than 10th graders. I educate, I don’t indoctrinate. I want to be challenged. I want a dialog.

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Dec 04 2009

Looking at love

Love has different dimensions and different levels of complexity. Sure there is love in animals too, but if you start talking about frogs and flies, that would be taking it a bit too far. All of them do not display the same kind or intensity of love.

In humans, in a male female relationship, sex only compliments love and not the thing itself :|
What is a lot more absurd is the assumption that it plays any role in animal love. Non mammals dont even have orgasm for hells sake.(same goes with most mammals esp females) Its it almost solely hormonal and can even be painful. In any case they cannot experience the pleasure in a human level, let alone make that an activity that compliments a relationship.

Man’s ancestors,the apes are divided in to chimpanzees,gibbons,gorillas and orangutans.
Male chimpanzees are polygamous and opportunistic-they tend to mate with which ever female comes in to season.

Gibbons ,how ever,establish a pair bond relationship that often lasts for life,they are familial and mutually supportive.
In a gorilla group,the silverback,the dominant male,has his pick of his females,though he may show special favour and develop a more lasting relationship with one or may be two.

Orangutans are solitary,or at most a unit consisting of a female and may be one or two children,to which group adults pay occasional visits.

I believe that,even evolved men and women are characterized in such different groups who has their own different instincts…one can not say its completely one genders fault in a non working relationship.

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Nov 15 2009

The Watchmaker

One of the most commonly used arguments concerning an Intelligent Designer is the “Watchmaker” argument… Basically that anything complex requires an intelligent designer. Now Richard Dawkins basically blew this argument out of the water, but since ID people won’t read Dawkins, I’ll go ahead and explain the logically fallicy of the argument here.

Nothing designed is original… They are merely the result of small, incremental improvements over time. In other words, an evolution parallel.

Lets take the Watch as an example as it appears to be one of the favorite used by ID proponents:

The watch wasn’t invented one day by a man who decided, “Wouldn’t it be nice to be able to tell time?” It was a long, slow process involving thousands of years.

First there was observing the Sun. People could tell approximately what time of day it was merely by looking up and seeing where the sun was.

Of course that wasn’t always accurate enough so the Sundial was produced. Markings around the sundial could give much more accurate information in regards to what time of day it was.

Then there was the problem of cloudy days (not to mention nighttime) which led to the invention of the mechanical clock. The markings were the same as the sundial and even the hand moved in the exact same direction (clockwise). Other hands were eventually included to make the clock more accurate.

The first clocks weren’t very portable. They required weighted pendulums and weighed several tons. For that reason there was usually only one in each town (usually in a central location such as a church or clocktower). Refinements to the design were made until eventually the clocks weighed only a couple hundred pounds apiece and could therefore be placed in individual homes.

As clocks became shrinking in size, there became a challenge amongst engineers to create a portable version. Once the weighted pendulums were replaced by a series of springs, the clock became truly portable and the “watch” was invented.

Of course these first watches weighed between 10-15 pounds, but incremental improvements over the years eventually brought the size and weight down to the point where they could be comfortably strapped to the wrist.

Other improvements included a small pendulum inserted into the winding mechanism (self-winding) through replacing the mechanics of the watch altogether with piezoelectric crystals.

As you can see, the watch wasn’t just invented “out of the blue” by some genius in Switzerland, but rather evolved through thousands of years with small, incremental changes over time.

So, we can see pretty easily that the “Watchmaker” argument does not prove ID, but rather supports evolution rather nicely. ID proponents point to the watch as proof of the necessity of a designer. Dawkins refers to this as “The Blind Watchmaker” argument because it relies on the watch being invented by an individual that had never seen a clock, a sundial, or even the Sun itself to be valid.

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Nov 10 2009

Satanic Verses

Its sad that Rushdie’s Satanic Verses is still banned in India. A must read for all atheists/agnostists. Although Rushdie’s theme of magical realism and historical fiction presents Rushdie’s twisted version of history, the concepts dealt with in the book does tackle reasons as to why theists believe in what they passionately believe in and why it is all justifiably falls when looked at by an atheist.

Concepts of angels and devils, use of religion by politicians(mullahs) to control the population and doubting that the Quran was in fact the revelations to Mohd. from ‘Angel Gariel’ are some of the highlights of the book.

Angel Gabriel! Remember?!?! The same ‘Angel’ that appeared to the Mother Mary of Bible fame to announce that she has miraculously got pregnant without having sex..with the world’s first test tube baby!!…what fun.

Looks like in the period around 0 BC and up until several hundred years into AD, Angel Gabriel has been a very popular character in the imagination on the people of the Middle East where all Abrahamic religions were born. And the Angel whose only role appears to be performing a Reuter’s like service in religious fiction passes on that role to the ‘Messenger’.

The reason why I mention this book here is because this book enabled me to shed the last of my ‘fears’ and doubts about the existence of God and come out in the open convinced that God IS MAN MADE. Yes, most potential atheists prefer the term agnostic which is what I used to called myself as it is so much convenient that takes so little courage.

I am an atheist and more importantly a humanist and proud of it. I intend no harm to anybody unlike several of my religious brothers and sisters who might be incensed by my belief.

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Nov 09 2009

Evolution is wrong = Creationism is right

To believe in creationism requires faith. Perhaps there is a bigger problem with theists who don’t understand simple definitions and refuse to do any research to learn about what they are speaking of.

Well, since creationism requires a creator/god whose existance haven’t been proven, it is based on faith and religion only. It cannot be called creationism until somebody is able to prove the existance of the creator no matter what other evidence might suggest. Not that there is any valid evidence for creationism.

First: Karl Mark wrote against religion because religion was used (and still is) to control populations. Governments that would otherwise have failed have had their lifespans artificially extended by having the religion of the country telling their followers that acting against the government is a “sin”. Karl Marx believed that only by removing religion from the political picture can governments evolve to their natural, utopic state.

Second: The vast majority of Chinese followed what is referred to as “Traditional Chinese Beliefs”. These beliefs ranged from ancestor worship to Confucianism and the one thing that ties them all together is the fact that each and every one of them were atheistic. What you don’t seem to realise is that Marxism isn’t against theism… it’s against any belief system including atheistic systems if such systems can be used to subvert or control the population.

I recommend you watch these videos, specially the first one:
Why Evolution Is True’ by Jerry Coyne, AAI 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1m4mATYoig

‘The Evolution of Confusion’ by Dan Dennett, AAI 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_9w8JougLQ

‘Design vs. Chance’ by PZ Myers, AAI 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba2h9tqNYAo

There’s nothing that haven’t been already been mentioned, but they present in a concise manner what the evidence is, and how people have difficulties interpreting them. They are long videos for sure, but I think they’ll address all the questions you have been raising.

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